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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on Patience</title>
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		<title>By: Bilal Philips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilal Philips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1,400 years ago Prophet Muhammad said, &quot;One who pretends to be patient (for the sake of God) will be given the quality of patience by Allah.&quot; (Sahih Al-Bukhari) Something like, &quot;Practice makes perfect,&quot; but to do so in this case it needs the commitment to a higher power, God, to successfully achieve it. I hope the advice is of some help in your quest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1,400 years ago Prophet Muhammad said, &#8220;One who pretends to be patient (for the sake of God) will be given the quality of patience by Allah.&#8221; (Sahih Al-Bukhari) Something like, &#8220;Practice makes perfect,&#8221; but to do so in this case it needs the commitment to a higher power, God, to successfully achieve it. I hope the advice is of some help in your quest.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carl, 

Thank you very much for your post.  The sensitive situation you described in South Africa reminds me of one of the criticisms of positive psychology, that it can&#039;t deal with the &#039;real problems&#039; of the world.  

Honestly, it&#039;s hard for me to answer your question, especially without knowing more about the situation.  However, my first impression is that no one can tell or explain to the people who have been waiting for their homes to be more patient.  In this situation, I think it&#039;d be interesting to see what resources these people use to continue on, despite the failed promises of their government.  Perhaps patience, however you define it, is one of the strengths that facilitates better adaptation in this circumstance.  

Just a preliminary thought to a very complicated and thought provoking question...thank you for starting this discussion.  

Best, 
Dana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carl, </p>
<p>Thank you very much for your post.  The sensitive situation you described in South Africa reminds me of one of the criticisms of positive psychology, that it can&#8217;t deal with the &#8216;real problems&#8217; of the world.  </p>
<p>Honestly, it&#8217;s hard for me to answer your question, especially without knowing more about the situation.  However, my first impression is that no one can tell or explain to the people who have been waiting for their homes to be more patient.  In this situation, I think it&#8217;d be interesting to see what resources these people use to continue on, despite the failed promises of their government.  Perhaps patience, however you define it, is one of the strengths that facilitates better adaptation in this circumstance.  </p>
<p>Just a preliminary thought to a very complicated and thought provoking question&#8230;thank you for starting this discussion.  </p>
<p>Best,<br />
Dana</p>
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		<title>By: carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi i am a south african who would like to opne the debate on patience in the context of the problem that exists locally . during the 1994 elections mention was made as to fee housing for the poor . clearly this is an impossability for a host of obvious reasons . our people are now told to be patient . how does one &quot; explain &quot; to the already impatient masses to be patient given that some have been waiting for 13 years for their free homw . based on the delivery stats to date a minimum of 10 years will need to be required to cater for the numbers of free homes TODAY . given that we are talking about a moving target { growth } who knows what the target will be then 

thoughts ...i am concerned</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi i am a south african who would like to opne the debate on patience in the context of the problem that exists locally . during the 1994 elections mention was made as to fee housing for the poor . clearly this is an impossability for a host of obvious reasons . our people are now told to be patient . how does one &#8221; explain &#8221; to the already impatient masses to be patient given that some have been waiting for 13 years for their free homw . based on the delivery stats to date a minimum of 10 years will need to be required to cater for the numbers of free homes TODAY . given that we are talking about a moving target { growth } who knows what the target will be then </p>
<p>thoughts &#8230;i am concerned</p>
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		<title>By: Senia Maymin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senia Maymin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ernesto, so you recommend that patience is closest to prudence?  I&#039;m pretty sure prudence is a temperance strength.
My best,
Senia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ernesto, so you recommend that patience is closest to prudence?  I&#8217;m pretty sure prudence is a temperance strength.<br />
My best,<br />
Senia</p>
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		<title>By: Ernesto A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernesto A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think patience best fits in with temperance. If we consider temperance (restraint/moderation in action, thought, or feeling), patience seems to be a particular manifestation of it. The impatience man is incapable of restraining themselves; something overcomes them. Endurance also seems to be a great fit as Kathryn points out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think patience best fits in with temperance. If we consider temperance (restraint/moderation in action, thought, or feeling), patience seems to be a particular manifestation of it. The impatience man is incapable of restraining themselves; something overcomes them. Endurance also seems to be a great fit as Kathryn points out.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana,

I remember this exercise.  I think I selected Endurance ... which is certainly a close cousin to Patience, if not a great overlap.

Persistence is part of it, but misses a warmth and other-focus that are part of Patience.  I associate the word Patience with good parental behavior and good teaching.  Not rushing things that take time to unfold. I think I learned the word patience as a descriptive term for the way my mother sometimes was -- and sometimes was not.

Mindfulness certainly overlaps Patience -- with the ability to observe without judging.  But I don&#039;t think they are the same.  Patience is more nurturing.

Of course, God didn&#039;t hand Moses a tablet with the 24 strengths written on it.  I sometimes think that there is a male bias in the 24 strengths that are in the first cut, not just because Marty and Chris are both male -- after all, Katherine Dahlsgaard was instrumental in the early work and Nansook Park has also been very involved.  But  the very basis of the 24 strengths on philosophical and religious texts across time and place means relying on the points of view of people who were actors and instigators rather than the ones of the people who were patiently picking up the pieces and putting them back together (reminds me of Zainab Salbi&#039;s description of the role of women during war -- http://www.womenforwomen.org/zainab.htm).  

Do you still have your Patience essay?  Perhaps you could extend this post with the ways Patience matched the criteria for a strength.

Kathryn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana,</p>
<p>I remember this exercise.  I think I selected Endurance &#8230; which is certainly a close cousin to Patience, if not a great overlap.</p>
<p>Persistence is part of it, but misses a warmth and other-focus that are part of Patience.  I associate the word Patience with good parental behavior and good teaching.  Not rushing things that take time to unfold. I think I learned the word patience as a descriptive term for the way my mother sometimes was &#8212; and sometimes was not.</p>
<p>Mindfulness certainly overlaps Patience &#8212; with the ability to observe without judging.  But I don&#8217;t think they are the same.  Patience is more nurturing.</p>
<p>Of course, God didn&#8217;t hand Moses a tablet with the 24 strengths written on it.  I sometimes think that there is a male bias in the 24 strengths that are in the first cut, not just because Marty and Chris are both male &#8212; after all, Katherine Dahlsgaard was instrumental in the early work and Nansook Park has also been very involved.  But  the very basis of the 24 strengths on philosophical and religious texts across time and place means relying on the points of view of people who were actors and instigators rather than the ones of the people who were patiently picking up the pieces and putting them back together (reminds me of Zainab Salbi&#8217;s description of the role of women during war &#8212; <a href="http://www.womenforwomen.org/zainab.htm)" rel="nofollow">http://www.womenforwomen.org/zainab.htm)</a>.  </p>
<p>Do you still have your Patience essay?  Perhaps you could extend this post with the ways Patience matched the criteria for a strength.</p>
<p>Kathryn</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Jencke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Jencke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 10:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana,

I think you are talking about mindfulness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana,</p>
<p>I think you are talking about mindfulness.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana,
What sticks out for me in the VIA classification is how our language is so nuanced. Take the word happiness. Maybe the dictionary has a clear-cut meaning for it. It sure seems like a piece of saltwater taffy in the real world.

Take patience. Is it a waiting room strength or linked to the larger issue of tolerance? I guess it has a negotiated meaning for whomever is involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana,<br />
What sticks out for me in the VIA classification is how our language is so nuanced. Take the word happiness. Maybe the dictionary has a clear-cut meaning for it. It sure seems like a piece of saltwater taffy in the real world.</p>
<p>Take patience. Is it a waiting room strength or linked to the larger issue of tolerance? I guess it has a negotiated meaning for whomever is involved.</p>
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