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		<title>By: Lisa Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 04:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine: Yes, that would be wonderful, wouldn&#039;t it? And what we all hope for and strive for. I myself am planning, once our financial affairs are in better shape, to work towards helping institute anti-bullying laws similar to those established in the UK and parts of Canada.

And I hope you don&#039;t mind if I share this final bit of information with you, as it helps explain my caveats in regard to positive psychology and bullying: 

The woman who bullied me began the bullying two years into my employment (a previous target was fired; I was &quot;next in line&quot;). Prior to this point, everyone in our department believed I was the perfect research assistant for her--including myself--as she was known as &quot;difficult&quot; and many were amazed at how well I got along with her.

And here is the great irony: 

She had a master&#039;s degree in organizational psychology (although her PhD was in another field). 

And she began her new pattern of bullying me just before our research team commenced on a study using Appreciative Inquiry--which is, as you know, a positive psychology approach to organizations--in medical settings. 

She was a co-investigator on the Appreciative Inquiry study. She sat right next to me all during the Appreciative Inquiry workshop we both attended prior to heading into the field, despite the fact she already had begun a sudden and swift campaign of harassment. You can imagine how much like &quot;Twilight Zone&quot; this was for me.

Finally, it was to the principal investigator of the Appreciative Inquiry study that I finally took my evidence, after the many attempts to stop the bullying failed. He was--and is--a kind man, whom I still admire greatly. But his response to me was &quot;So have you examined what you&#039;ve done to help create this situation?&quot; And then he refused to even look at the evidence of work sabotage that I&#039;d collected, which was copious and quite compelling (including photographic evidence of a work roster board in my supervisor&#039;s office showing that all my Project Management duties had been given to others in order to &quot;punish&quot; me for both achieving recognition in the department and for politely declining to twist the truth in a scientific paper based on our work in order to enhance its publishability, when she had pushed me to do so). 

Given the above incredible ironies, the sense of bifurcated reality was overwhelming. 

Still, I don&#039;t dwell on those things; in fact, it wasn&#039;t until yesterday that I thought to myself, &quot;Gee, I ought to mention how ironic my own situation was.&quot; But there it is.

In the end, living life fully and with joy is what&#039;s at the heart of working through any experience of bullying, as you seem to have accomplished for yourself in your quite positive and life-affirming decision to start your own business. I&#039;ve truly enjoyed sharing insights with you, and I&#039;m glad someone like you, who has experienced bullying first-hand, is at work helping others change their work environments as much as is possible. I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve already made quite a difference in the lives of many within organizations you&#039;ve consulted for. 

May your good work go on--

--Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine: Yes, that would be wonderful, wouldn&#8217;t it? And what we all hope for and strive for. I myself am planning, once our financial affairs are in better shape, to work towards helping institute anti-bullying laws similar to those established in the UK and parts of Canada.</p>
<p>And I hope you don&#8217;t mind if I share this final bit of information with you, as it helps explain my caveats in regard to positive psychology and bullying: </p>
<p>The woman who bullied me began the bullying two years into my employment (a previous target was fired; I was &#8220;next in line&#8221;). Prior to this point, everyone in our department believed I was the perfect research assistant for her&#8211;including myself&#8211;as she was known as &#8220;difficult&#8221; and many were amazed at how well I got along with her.</p>
<p>And here is the great irony: </p>
<p>She had a master&#8217;s degree in organizational psychology (although her PhD was in another field). </p>
<p>And she began her new pattern of bullying me just before our research team commenced on a study using Appreciative Inquiry&#8211;which is, as you know, a positive psychology approach to organizations&#8211;in medical settings. </p>
<p>She was a co-investigator on the Appreciative Inquiry study. She sat right next to me all during the Appreciative Inquiry workshop we both attended prior to heading into the field, despite the fact she already had begun a sudden and swift campaign of harassment. You can imagine how much like &#8220;Twilight Zone&#8221; this was for me.</p>
<p>Finally, it was to the principal investigator of the Appreciative Inquiry study that I finally took my evidence, after the many attempts to stop the bullying failed. He was&#8211;and is&#8211;a kind man, whom I still admire greatly. But his response to me was &#8220;So have you examined what you&#8217;ve done to help create this situation?&#8221; And then he refused to even look at the evidence of work sabotage that I&#8217;d collected, which was copious and quite compelling (including photographic evidence of a work roster board in my supervisor&#8217;s office showing that all my Project Management duties had been given to others in order to &#8220;punish&#8221; me for both achieving recognition in the department and for politely declining to twist the truth in a scientific paper based on our work in order to enhance its publishability, when she had pushed me to do so). </p>
<p>Given the above incredible ironies, the sense of bifurcated reality was overwhelming. </p>
<p>Still, I don&#8217;t dwell on those things; in fact, it wasn&#8217;t until yesterday that I thought to myself, &#8220;Gee, I ought to mention how ironic my own situation was.&#8221; But there it is.</p>
<p>In the end, living life fully and with joy is what&#8217;s at the heart of working through any experience of bullying, as you seem to have accomplished for yourself in your quite positive and life-affirming decision to start your own business. I&#8217;ve truly enjoyed sharing insights with you, and I&#8217;m glad someone like you, who has experienced bullying first-hand, is at work helping others change their work environments as much as is possible. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve already made quite a difference in the lives of many within organizations you&#8217;ve consulted for. </p>
<p>May your good work go on&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8211;Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Mattice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Mattice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,

Right back at you - thank you again for the comments and very thoughtful points made in your correspondence.

One final comment... while I never like to offer advice to targets that includes, &quot;Maybe it&#039;s time to find another job&quot;... your comments justify why sometimes that may be the appropriate answer. Ultimately, a person could very well be strong-willed, confident, competent at communicating and setting boundaries, etc, etc - but it may just not be enough. Doing all of those things can be mentally and physically exhausting, and when the organization seems to turn its back (which happens often), it can become even more so. Removing yourself from the situation in order to become well again is sometimes the answer. As for me, the day I left my organization I, quite literally, felt the monkey crawl down off my back. Physically, not figuratively.

My business focuses on helping organizations adjust their corporate culture to one that is positive and healthy, thereby eradticating the opportunity for bullying behaviors to flourish. Getting at the root cause of the organization is helpful, but even then everyone has to be on board. Despite my business being focused on management consulting, I am always seeking information about how targets can avoid becoming so crushed by their co-worker&#039;s behavior.

Anyway, thanks again for your comments and for sharing so much of yourself with me. Wouldn&#039;t it be wonderful if, as a society or even a species, we could someday come to a point where we didn&#039;t have to talk about bullying at all? I know... that&#039;s awfully optimistic :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p>Right back at you &#8211; thank you again for the comments and very thoughtful points made in your correspondence.</p>
<p>One final comment&#8230; while I never like to offer advice to targets that includes, &#8220;Maybe it&#8217;s time to find another job&#8221;&#8230; your comments justify why sometimes that may be the appropriate answer. Ultimately, a person could very well be strong-willed, confident, competent at communicating and setting boundaries, etc, etc &#8211; but it may just not be enough. Doing all of those things can be mentally and physically exhausting, and when the organization seems to turn its back (which happens often), it can become even more so. Removing yourself from the situation in order to become well again is sometimes the answer. As for me, the day I left my organization I, quite literally, felt the monkey crawl down off my back. Physically, not figuratively.</p>
<p>My business focuses on helping organizations adjust their corporate culture to one that is positive and healthy, thereby eradticating the opportunity for bullying behaviors to flourish. Getting at the root cause of the organization is helpful, but even then everyone has to be on board. Despite my business being focused on management consulting, I am always seeking information about how targets can avoid becoming so crushed by their co-worker&#8217;s behavior.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks again for your comments and for sharing so much of yourself with me. Wouldn&#8217;t it be wonderful if, as a society or even a species, we could someday come to a point where we didn&#8217;t have to talk about bullying at all? I know&#8230; that&#8217;s awfully optimistic <img src='http://positivepsychologynews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine and Kathryn:

Thank you for your thoughtful and well-reasoned responses to my post. As I stated before, I do appreciate and agree with so very much of what positive psychology has to say. One thought I&#039;ve had, however, is that my own spiritual deepening has always been due to an embrace of suffering in my life; not, and this is important, a wallowing in it--much more in the direction of a zen-like recognition that the pain is there, it exists, and must be embraced as fully as the joy of any given moment is. Throughout my bullying experiences, I never felt my spirit or self-esteem to be threatened; I quickly let go an any anger that resulted, and have for a long while felt compassion for those who engaged in the bullying behavior. Yet I&#039;ve seen that what seemed to drive the bullying was the fact that I achieved some professional recognition that the person who bullied me envied. 

I am at peace with myself over how I handled what happened. I still connect deeply with the joy of life, and this is despite losing my career along with my PhD, and having been laid off from two subsequent jobs, losing my house, and suffering serious neurological health issues. I have self-reflected innumerable times about the bullying, and have asked quite honest questions about my own interactions with my supervisor. Three and a half years later, I continue to self-reflect, always aware that there may be something I haven&#039;t seen before. Having been an active member of a Christian website focused on bullying, I can honestly say that some of the wisest, most compassionate individuals I&#039;ve ever encountered are those who have been the targets of bullying. And they seem to do a lot of self-reflection, once they let go of the anger (a necessary first step). 

As far as domestic violence goes: I was once briefly married to a verbally abusive man. Yes, it is true you can talk someone down from the abuse--I in fact did so on numerous occasions with my ex-husband. However, the amount of psychic energy it takes to do so can be depleting, just as the amount of psychic energy it takes to exist in a bullying workplace can be spritually and psychologically depleting. And that &quot;talking-down&quot; ability is not foolproof, as mis-steps can inadvertantly occur due to any number of factors not within one&#039;s control, such as a thorough knowledge of the other&#039;s background, and stumbling on a personal trigger that one had no knowledge of. In the end, I think the healthiest position is that in which one recognizes that there are always unknown variables out there that may prevent successful communication in any given situation--although one should always try. A number of the folks on the Christian bullying website have also managed to exist for a good while in bullying situations due to their communicative skills and ability to construct solid boundaries. Yet eventually, such difficult relationships take their toll and are often best left behind. 

I was never bullied at a workplace until I turned 50, so I spent most of my life working well and happily with both co-workers and supervisors. It was only when my own sense of self became, in fact, even more confident, sound and healthy that I was bullied--an odd twist, it would seem. Yet that is the case. And from my interactions on the Christian bullying website, I know that many folks (not all, but many) who have been bullied seem to be filled with a level of compassion, wisdom, and warmth that in truth astounds me. I would say that many of them, too, would agree with most of the tenets of positive psychology.

In the end, my own conclusion in regard to how one should approach a person whose bullying appears to arise from a more psychopathic personality style is the phrase &quot;containment with compassion.&quot; Sometimes, there are people one runs into who are not responsive to the best communicative efforts, and containing the violence they do in the most compassionate manner possible is what seems to be the most gentle and humane approach.

I briefly corresponded with Seligman (4 or 5 e-mails only), and some of my comments on positive psychology are based on that brief correspondence, wherein I talked about the value of embracing one&#039;s suffering as well as one&#039;s joy, a yin-and-yang view. It was one area where I had some disagreement with his view, at least as I understood it at that time. I also receive the positive psychology e-mail newsletter, although I admit I haven&#039;t read it much recently. So his views may have changed to some degree since that very brief correspondence with him. I&#039;m no expert in positive psychology, but I&#039;ve done a workshop and read a bit, and as I said, had this brief correspondence. I do think self-reflection is always in order for everyone in any situation, including bullying ones. The Namis recommend it, in fact, as they see some of the same possible problems that you&#039;ve mentioned. So I&#039;m certainly in agreement that self-reflection is a good thing for all parties in a bullying incident or environment. It&#039;s just that I&#039;ve come to view some instances as involving personalities who are so injured and other-objectifying, it is virtually impossible to communicate effectively with them. 

Thanks again for this opportunity to share views. 

--Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine and Kathryn:</p>
<p>Thank you for your thoughtful and well-reasoned responses to my post. As I stated before, I do appreciate and agree with so very much of what positive psychology has to say. One thought I&#8217;ve had, however, is that my own spiritual deepening has always been due to an embrace of suffering in my life; not, and this is important, a wallowing in it&#8211;much more in the direction of a zen-like recognition that the pain is there, it exists, and must be embraced as fully as the joy of any given moment is. Throughout my bullying experiences, I never felt my spirit or self-esteem to be threatened; I quickly let go an any anger that resulted, and have for a long while felt compassion for those who engaged in the bullying behavior. Yet I&#8217;ve seen that what seemed to drive the bullying was the fact that I achieved some professional recognition that the person who bullied me envied. </p>
<p>I am at peace with myself over how I handled what happened. I still connect deeply with the joy of life, and this is despite losing my career along with my PhD, and having been laid off from two subsequent jobs, losing my house, and suffering serious neurological health issues. I have self-reflected innumerable times about the bullying, and have asked quite honest questions about my own interactions with my supervisor. Three and a half years later, I continue to self-reflect, always aware that there may be something I haven&#8217;t seen before. Having been an active member of a Christian website focused on bullying, I can honestly say that some of the wisest, most compassionate individuals I&#8217;ve ever encountered are those who have been the targets of bullying. And they seem to do a lot of self-reflection, once they let go of the anger (a necessary first step). </p>
<p>As far as domestic violence goes: I was once briefly married to a verbally abusive man. Yes, it is true you can talk someone down from the abuse&#8211;I in fact did so on numerous occasions with my ex-husband. However, the amount of psychic energy it takes to do so can be depleting, just as the amount of psychic energy it takes to exist in a bullying workplace can be spritually and psychologically depleting. And that &#8220;talking-down&#8221; ability is not foolproof, as mis-steps can inadvertantly occur due to any number of factors not within one&#8217;s control, such as a thorough knowledge of the other&#8217;s background, and stumbling on a personal trigger that one had no knowledge of. In the end, I think the healthiest position is that in which one recognizes that there are always unknown variables out there that may prevent successful communication in any given situation&#8211;although one should always try. A number of the folks on the Christian bullying website have also managed to exist for a good while in bullying situations due to their communicative skills and ability to construct solid boundaries. Yet eventually, such difficult relationships take their toll and are often best left behind. </p>
<p>I was never bullied at a workplace until I turned 50, so I spent most of my life working well and happily with both co-workers and supervisors. It was only when my own sense of self became, in fact, even more confident, sound and healthy that I was bullied&#8211;an odd twist, it would seem. Yet that is the case. And from my interactions on the Christian bullying website, I know that many folks (not all, but many) who have been bullied seem to be filled with a level of compassion, wisdom, and warmth that in truth astounds me. I would say that many of them, too, would agree with most of the tenets of positive psychology.</p>
<p>In the end, my own conclusion in regard to how one should approach a person whose bullying appears to arise from a more psychopathic personality style is the phrase &#8220;containment with compassion.&#8221; Sometimes, there are people one runs into who are not responsive to the best communicative efforts, and containing the violence they do in the most compassionate manner possible is what seems to be the most gentle and humane approach.</p>
<p>I briefly corresponded with Seligman (4 or 5 e-mails only), and some of my comments on positive psychology are based on that brief correspondence, wherein I talked about the value of embracing one&#8217;s suffering as well as one&#8217;s joy, a yin-and-yang view. It was one area where I had some disagreement with his view, at least as I understood it at that time. I also receive the positive psychology e-mail newsletter, although I admit I haven&#8217;t read it much recently. So his views may have changed to some degree since that very brief correspondence with him. I&#8217;m no expert in positive psychology, but I&#8217;ve done a workshop and read a bit, and as I said, had this brief correspondence. I do think self-reflection is always in order for everyone in any situation, including bullying ones. The Namis recommend it, in fact, as they see some of the same possible problems that you&#8217;ve mentioned. So I&#8217;m certainly in agreement that self-reflection is a good thing for all parties in a bullying incident or environment. It&#8217;s just that I&#8217;ve come to view some instances as involving personalities who are so injured and other-objectifying, it is virtually impossible to communicate effectively with them. </p>
<p>Thanks again for this opportunity to share views. </p>
<p>&#8211;Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Mattice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Mattice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathryn,

Your comments about bounding and buffering remind me of another great book to read: Why is it always about you? by Sandy Hotchkiss.

Her advice includes knowing yourself and understanding your feelings, embracing the reality you are in, and setting mental and relational boundaries.

Great read.

Catherine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathryn,</p>
<p>Your comments about bounding and buffering remind me of another great book to read: Why is it always about you? by Sandy Hotchkiss.</p>
<p>Her advice includes knowing yourself and understanding your feelings, embracing the reality you are in, and setting mental and relational boundaries.</p>
<p>Great read.</p>
<p>Catherine</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kat,

Why are people so threatened by PP? I hear the same denial themes repeatedly. It is old news...Buddha, Christ, Mohammed, Sesame Street, Grandma and others have already discovered this stuff. PP states the obvious. PP is touchy feely but can&#039;t produce &quot;the goods&quot; as in higher productivity, calm, peace, serenity etc. PP makes a culture limp and ineffective.

Negative Psychology is so attractive and widespread. Why do you think that is so? (If you agree that NP is pervasive).

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kat,</p>
<p>Why are people so threatened by PP? I hear the same denial themes repeatedly. It is old news&#8230;Buddha, Christ, Mohammed, Sesame Street, Grandma and others have already discovered this stuff. PP states the obvious. PP is touchy feely but can&#8217;t produce &#8220;the goods&#8221; as in higher productivity, calm, peace, serenity etc. PP makes a culture limp and ineffective.</p>
<p>Negative Psychology is so attractive and widespread. Why do you think that is so? (If you agree that NP is pervasive).</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,

Jane Dutton, author of &lt;em&gt;Energize Your Workplace&lt;/em&gt; and one of the leaders in the Positive Organizational Scholarship field, devotes a chapter of that book to dealing with corrosive connections.  She writes, &quot;Typically instigators of corrosive connections have more power than their partners in the relationship.  Corrosive connections with those in authority or with power over you can be particularly damaging...&quot;  and &quot;Often, corrosive behavior may be an offshoot of a flexing of power, and the offending party may be oblivious to the damage that ensues.  ... people in higher-power or status positions may find it difficult to see their causal role in creating corrosiveness, and they may be less motivated to remedy this destructive pattern.&quot;  (Energize Your Workplace, pp. 110-111).

This is just to argue that positive psychology and its related field, positive organizational scholarship, don&#039;t deny the existence of mean-spirited or even  psychopathic behavior.  It exists.  For the victims, it is painful.  It is humiliating.  It is destructive, not just to the individual, but also to the organization.  

The rest of the chapter is about how to recognize corrosive behaviors -- and then strategies for dealing with them.  Many of the strategies are internal to the victim -- bounding and buffering, buttressing and strengthening, for example.  

Like you, I&#039;ve tried the direct approach -- calling the person on what I considered bullying behavior -- with limited success.  Sometimes the best outcome that can occur is some level of self-protection.  There are some relationships that just can&#039;t be fixed... 

I guess I&#039;m just asking you not to generalize about what positive psychology does or does not suggest in these cases.  Positive psychology is the study of what goes right in life and why -- it&#039;s not the denial of what goes wrong.

Kathryn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p>Jane Dutton, author of <em>Energize Your Workplace</em> and one of the leaders in the Positive Organizational Scholarship field, devotes a chapter of that book to dealing with corrosive connections.  She writes, &#8220;Typically instigators of corrosive connections have more power than their partners in the relationship.  Corrosive connections with those in authority or with power over you can be particularly damaging&#8230;&#8221;  and &#8220;Often, corrosive behavior may be an offshoot of a flexing of power, and the offending party may be oblivious to the damage that ensues.  &#8230; people in higher-power or status positions may find it difficult to see their causal role in creating corrosiveness, and they may be less motivated to remedy this destructive pattern.&#8221;  (Energize Your Workplace, pp. 110-111).</p>
<p>This is just to argue that positive psychology and its related field, positive organizational scholarship, don&#8217;t deny the existence of mean-spirited or even  psychopathic behavior.  It exists.  For the victims, it is painful.  It is humiliating.  It is destructive, not just to the individual, but also to the organization.  </p>
<p>The rest of the chapter is about how to recognize corrosive behaviors &#8212; and then strategies for dealing with them.  Many of the strategies are internal to the victim &#8212; bounding and buffering, buttressing and strengthening, for example.  </p>
<p>Like you, I&#8217;ve tried the direct approach &#8212; calling the person on what I considered bullying behavior &#8212; with limited success.  Sometimes the best outcome that can occur is some level of self-protection.  There are some relationships that just can&#8217;t be fixed&#8230; </p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m just asking you not to generalize about what positive psychology does or does not suggest in these cases.  Positive psychology is the study of what goes right in life and why &#8212; it&#8217;s not the denial of what goes wrong.</p>
<p>Kathryn</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Mattice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Mattice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, 

Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments. While I am an expert in workplace bullying, admittedly I am not well versed in positive psychology - and this article is the only one, to my knowledge, that juxtaposes the two. As such, any conversation around the merits of doing so, or lack thereof, are welcomed wholeheartedly.

I became interested in positive psychology as a result of conversations with one of my mentors and great friend, who studied with Martin Seligman during his pilot positive psychology masters program at the University of Pennsylvania (I think I have that right). She and I have had many conversations about this subject, and what interested me the most about positive psychology was that it seemed to offer empowering options for targets of workplace bullying. 

I am very excited about this notion because, to date, much of the research on workplace bullying claims that targets are accidentally in the situation, their personalities are irrelevant, and targets are eradicated from any role in the process. I have a problem with these ideas because they claim the target plays no part in the situation they find themselves in. And, I just cannot bring myself to believe that during an interaction between two people one person is simply an innocent bystander. In any communication transaction all parties are actively involved and certainly play a role in the exchange, whether with a bully or an extraordinarily nice co-worker. Having said that, I must reiterate that in no way am I blaming the target, claiming it is his or her fault, or that he or she deserves the abuse. 

What I am saying, however, is that I believe researchers should cease in their fear of placing blame on targets, and figure out what is different between someone who self-identifies as a target and someone who does not. For example, Jennifer and her team (2003) reported that one-third of their participants were actually bullied, but only one-fifth of them identified themselves as targets of the bully. Certainly there is “something” different between those who said, “I am being bullied” and those who said, “That person’s kind of a jerk but it doesn’t bother me very much.” As someone who self-identified as a target, I can’t help but ask myself, “What was the difference between me and the people around me who also complained about the bully, but didn’t let it get to them the way I let it get to me?” To take it a step further, what’s the difference between someone who has the strength to walk away from a situation of domestic violence and someone who does not? Even the army is looking at determinants of post-battle PTSD versus post-battle enhanced leadership skills (http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2009/08/new_army_program_aims_for_post.php). 

I believe the answers to these questions are important to know so they can be shared with targets of any abuse, and may be somewhere in the field of positive psychology. 

You asked the question about communication skills training and whether that would prevent a serial killer or rapist from attacking. The answer is no, if there is no relationship. So, for example, if a rapist targets a woman with whom he had no prior relationship, there probably isn’t any communication skills training that could save her. But, when there is a relationship, like in a domestic violence situation, the answer is absolutely – you can teach communication that would prevent abuse. For example, research on domestic violence indicates that there are two things a woman in an abusive relationship might say that will most certainly result in an attack: 1) claim she is leaving and 2) insult her abuser’s manhood. If we can teach women in DV relationships that they should not say either of those things, I think that is worthwhile. (I don’t have a citation for you here, unfortunately. I spent some time trying to find one quickly but couldn’t. The information came from a personal conversation with Dr. Brian Spitzberg, who coined the term “dark side of communication” and is an expert in stalking and domestic violence in the field of communication. I can get the citation from him if you are interested.)  But, because rape and domestic violence are physical abuse and bullying is psychological, it may not even be fair to compare the two… something to look at in further research.

Perhaps you are right; sabotaging work is something you may not be able to fight, except in the traditional methods recommended by myself and other experts. Keep documentation, tell human resources in story format (and sans emotion if you can because HR doesn’t respond well to them), and ultimately leave the organization if you find no recourse. It sounds like you did everything you could to deal with your bully and I commend your efforts. I praise your ability to talk to the bully about her behavior in an attempt to work through it. I believe many targets would not do that – I certainly never had the courage to.

In the end, we have much to learn about the phenomenon of workplace bullying and probably positive psychology. I can only hope, like any researcher, that anything I discover with regard to the two will provide practical advice for targets and the managers who must work to eradicate the behavior from their workplaces. Thanks so much for your encouragement.

Reference:
Jennifer, D., Cowie, H., &amp; Ananiadou, K. (2003). Perceptions and experience of workplace bullying in five different working populations. Aggressive Behavior, 29, 489-496.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, </p>
<p>Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments. While I am an expert in workplace bullying, admittedly I am not well versed in positive psychology &#8211; and this article is the only one, to my knowledge, that juxtaposes the two. As such, any conversation around the merits of doing so, or lack thereof, are welcomed wholeheartedly.</p>
<p>I became interested in positive psychology as a result of conversations with one of my mentors and great friend, who studied with Martin Seligman during his pilot positive psychology masters program at the University of Pennsylvania (I think I have that right). She and I have had many conversations about this subject, and what interested me the most about positive psychology was that it seemed to offer empowering options for targets of workplace bullying. </p>
<p>I am very excited about this notion because, to date, much of the research on workplace bullying claims that targets are accidentally in the situation, their personalities are irrelevant, and targets are eradicated from any role in the process. I have a problem with these ideas because they claim the target plays no part in the situation they find themselves in. And, I just cannot bring myself to believe that during an interaction between two people one person is simply an innocent bystander. In any communication transaction all parties are actively involved and certainly play a role in the exchange, whether with a bully or an extraordinarily nice co-worker. Having said that, I must reiterate that in no way am I blaming the target, claiming it is his or her fault, or that he or she deserves the abuse. </p>
<p>What I am saying, however, is that I believe researchers should cease in their fear of placing blame on targets, and figure out what is different between someone who self-identifies as a target and someone who does not. For example, Jennifer and her team (2003) reported that one-third of their participants were actually bullied, but only one-fifth of them identified themselves as targets of the bully. Certainly there is “something” different between those who said, “I am being bullied” and those who said, “That person’s kind of a jerk but it doesn’t bother me very much.” As someone who self-identified as a target, I can’t help but ask myself, “What was the difference between me and the people around me who also complained about the bully, but didn’t let it get to them the way I let it get to me?” To take it a step further, what’s the difference between someone who has the strength to walk away from a situation of domestic violence and someone who does not? Even the army is looking at determinants of post-battle PTSD versus post-battle enhanced leadership skills (<a href="http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2009/08/new_army_program_aims_for_post.php)" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2009/08/new_army_program_aims_for_post.php)</a>. </p>
<p>I believe the answers to these questions are important to know so they can be shared with targets of any abuse, and may be somewhere in the field of positive psychology. </p>
<p>You asked the question about communication skills training and whether that would prevent a serial killer or rapist from attacking. The answer is no, if there is no relationship. So, for example, if a rapist targets a woman with whom he had no prior relationship, there probably isn’t any communication skills training that could save her. But, when there is a relationship, like in a domestic violence situation, the answer is absolutely – you can teach communication that would prevent abuse. For example, research on domestic violence indicates that there are two things a woman in an abusive relationship might say that will most certainly result in an attack: 1) claim she is leaving and 2) insult her abuser’s manhood. If we can teach women in DV relationships that they should not say either of those things, I think that is worthwhile. (I don’t have a citation for you here, unfortunately. I spent some time trying to find one quickly but couldn’t. The information came from a personal conversation with Dr. Brian Spitzberg, who coined the term “dark side of communication” and is an expert in stalking and domestic violence in the field of communication. I can get the citation from him if you are interested.)  But, because rape and domestic violence are physical abuse and bullying is psychological, it may not even be fair to compare the two… something to look at in further research.</p>
<p>Perhaps you are right; sabotaging work is something you may not be able to fight, except in the traditional methods recommended by myself and other experts. Keep documentation, tell human resources in story format (and sans emotion if you can because HR doesn’t respond well to them), and ultimately leave the organization if you find no recourse. It sounds like you did everything you could to deal with your bully and I commend your efforts. I praise your ability to talk to the bully about her behavior in an attempt to work through it. I believe many targets would not do that – I certainly never had the courage to.</p>
<p>In the end, we have much to learn about the phenomenon of workplace bullying and probably positive psychology. I can only hope, like any researcher, that anything I discover with regard to the two will provide practical advice for targets and the managers who must work to eradicate the behavior from their workplaces. Thanks so much for your encouragement.</p>
<p>Reference:<br />
Jennifer, D., Cowie, H., &amp; Ananiadou, K. (2003). Perceptions and experience of workplace bullying in five different working populations. Aggressive Behavior, 29, 489-496.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Gordon</title>
		<link>http://positivepsychologynews.com/news/catherine-mattice/200911024411/comment-page-1#comment-130223</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Catherine:

I am a former clinical psychology graduate student (ABD) well informed about positive psychology. I&#039;ve also been targeted by more than one workplace bully, ultimately resulting in the loss of my dissertation data and PhD.

My experiences are not in line with your characterization of a target, frankly. I am self-confident, assertive, but very cooperative. In work settings in which I was not bullied, I am viewed as excelling at my job, as having excelllent communication and people skills, and being fair-minded and hard-working. In fact, I&#039;ve had supervisors praise me in particular for my fine communication skills, and I&#039;ve been hired specifcally because of my warmth, my positive outlook, and my ability to manage people well. I&#039;m eternally optimistic, and I&#039;ve forgiven the woman who bullied me at the university (and the couple others I&#039;ve run into since then). I have a deep, profound spirituality and engage in contemplative prayer. And, for the most part, I very much like positive psychology. However, my experiences of being bullied have displayed for me a few areas in which positive psychology may not necessarily be the answer.

For example: I had several conversations with the woman supervisor who bullied me at the university (I was her research assistant). I had written down specific ways to phrase the issue positively, had practiced them, and was careful to help her feel secure about herself and focus on her own positive attributes, which were, in fact, many; when she claimed not to be aware of the negative behaviors she was engaging in (which included work sabotage, by the way), I said that was certainly possible, but was firm with her in communicating that greater awareness of her communication style would help alleviate the problem. I had 2 or 3 quite rational, positive conversations with her in this manner over a period of several months about the bullying. 

Nothing happened as a result--except that she went &quot;covert&quot; with the work sabotage and became overtly friendly. I found tampered documents with her handwriting on them, documents removed from packets she was required to sign off on, that were then bounced back to me (and I had proof this was so due to saved e-mails showing the packets were complete when delivered, by e-mail, to her), freshly recopied files replacing dog-eared ones, with errors inserted in critical places. In addition, all my duties were taken away from me and given to others, and I was asked to file, despite the fact I was the project manager and the duties I had been hired to fill were given to younger students who I was, in fact, supposed to supervise (I was in my late 40s at the time, as I&#039;d gone back to grad school to start a 2nd career). But in front of others (especially superiors), my supervisor was newly polite and sweet, simply dropping the overt attempts to humiliate and denigrate that had previously occurred in her communication style. In other words, all that was accomplished is that she &quot;went underground&quot; with the bullying.

What positive psychology fails to recognize is the existence of the socialized psychopath. Would you recommened commuications-skills training to a serial killer and his or her victim? Would greater ability to positively communicate with a serial rapist prevent the rape?  

My experiences have taught me that there are sub-clinical cases of psychopathy in our society, often in positions of authority, and that people who suffer from such are not amenable to the communications of those they&#039;ve chosen to target. Think of the &quot;Wall Street sharks&quot; who are incredibly charming, successful, and in positions of authority--but are clearly narcissitic, morally bankrupt, and concerned only with self-gain. Now think about types of psychopathic criminals: some are insterested in monetary gain, just like the Wall Street &quot;socialized&quot; version, while some--the serial rapists and murderers, are interested in sadistic torment as a means to control. It appears that there are similar sadistically oriented socialized psychopaths as well, but they exist in workplaces and target others for the end-game of sadistic power and control. 

I have come to recognize that socialized psychopaths exist and that they lack human empathy and ethical boundaries. Certainly, there are non-psychopathic bullies, too, and they are likely far greater in number than the psychopathic version; I have no fear of them and can work at jobs with people in that category, having done so in the past. Small humiliations don&#039;t bother me; sabotaging my work so that cause for termination exists is something, however, that no one can honestly fight, except in the standard methods recommended by other bullying experts.

I realize that in some cases, your recommendations would to a world of good, and I encourage you to continue the good work you have accomplished. There are many who can benefit from your advice. There are targets who do lack self-esteem, who do see the world negatively. And there are bullies who are not psychopathic or seriously personality disordered, but who instead are simply deeply insecure. But I might recommend one caveat: to acknowledge that some cases of bullying, albeit a small porportion of them, may in fact be the result of psychopathic personality traits, and are thus not amenable to the techniques you recommend. In other words, positive psychologists would not see fit to tell a rape victim or a victim of child abuse or domestic violence that all they need to do is communicate more effectively and have better self-esteem. By the same token, those bullies who exist on the psychopathic continuum (as all personality disorders are on a continuum of severity, of course), are not amenable to the techniques of positive psychology. 

My best to you in the work you are doing--

Lisa E. Gordon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Catherine:</p>
<p>I am a former clinical psychology graduate student (ABD) well informed about positive psychology. I&#8217;ve also been targeted by more than one workplace bully, ultimately resulting in the loss of my dissertation data and PhD.</p>
<p>My experiences are not in line with your characterization of a target, frankly. I am self-confident, assertive, but very cooperative. In work settings in which I was not bullied, I am viewed as excelling at my job, as having excelllent communication and people skills, and being fair-minded and hard-working. In fact, I&#8217;ve had supervisors praise me in particular for my fine communication skills, and I&#8217;ve been hired specifcally because of my warmth, my positive outlook, and my ability to manage people well. I&#8217;m eternally optimistic, and I&#8217;ve forgiven the woman who bullied me at the university (and the couple others I&#8217;ve run into since then). I have a deep, profound spirituality and engage in contemplative prayer. And, for the most part, I very much like positive psychology. However, my experiences of being bullied have displayed for me a few areas in which positive psychology may not necessarily be the answer.</p>
<p>For example: I had several conversations with the woman supervisor who bullied me at the university (I was her research assistant). I had written down specific ways to phrase the issue positively, had practiced them, and was careful to help her feel secure about herself and focus on her own positive attributes, which were, in fact, many; when she claimed not to be aware of the negative behaviors she was engaging in (which included work sabotage, by the way), I said that was certainly possible, but was firm with her in communicating that greater awareness of her communication style would help alleviate the problem. I had 2 or 3 quite rational, positive conversations with her in this manner over a period of several months about the bullying. </p>
<p>Nothing happened as a result&#8211;except that she went &#8220;covert&#8221; with the work sabotage and became overtly friendly. I found tampered documents with her handwriting on them, documents removed from packets she was required to sign off on, that were then bounced back to me (and I had proof this was so due to saved e-mails showing the packets were complete when delivered, by e-mail, to her), freshly recopied files replacing dog-eared ones, with errors inserted in critical places. In addition, all my duties were taken away from me and given to others, and I was asked to file, despite the fact I was the project manager and the duties I had been hired to fill were given to younger students who I was, in fact, supposed to supervise (I was in my late 40s at the time, as I&#8217;d gone back to grad school to start a 2nd career). But in front of others (especially superiors), my supervisor was newly polite and sweet, simply dropping the overt attempts to humiliate and denigrate that had previously occurred in her communication style. In other words, all that was accomplished is that she &#8220;went underground&#8221; with the bullying.</p>
<p>What positive psychology fails to recognize is the existence of the socialized psychopath. Would you recommened commuications-skills training to a serial killer and his or her victim? Would greater ability to positively communicate with a serial rapist prevent the rape?  </p>
<p>My experiences have taught me that there are sub-clinical cases of psychopathy in our society, often in positions of authority, and that people who suffer from such are not amenable to the communications of those they&#8217;ve chosen to target. Think of the &#8220;Wall Street sharks&#8221; who are incredibly charming, successful, and in positions of authority&#8211;but are clearly narcissitic, morally bankrupt, and concerned only with self-gain. Now think about types of psychopathic criminals: some are insterested in monetary gain, just like the Wall Street &#8220;socialized&#8221; version, while some&#8211;the serial rapists and murderers, are interested in sadistic torment as a means to control. It appears that there are similar sadistically oriented socialized psychopaths as well, but they exist in workplaces and target others for the end-game of sadistic power and control. </p>
<p>I have come to recognize that socialized psychopaths exist and that they lack human empathy and ethical boundaries. Certainly, there are non-psychopathic bullies, too, and they are likely far greater in number than the psychopathic version; I have no fear of them and can work at jobs with people in that category, having done so in the past. Small humiliations don&#8217;t bother me; sabotaging my work so that cause for termination exists is something, however, that no one can honestly fight, except in the standard methods recommended by other bullying experts.</p>
<p>I realize that in some cases, your recommendations would to a world of good, and I encourage you to continue the good work you have accomplished. There are many who can benefit from your advice. There are targets who do lack self-esteem, who do see the world negatively. And there are bullies who are not psychopathic or seriously personality disordered, but who instead are simply deeply insecure. But I might recommend one caveat: to acknowledge that some cases of bullying, albeit a small porportion of them, may in fact be the result of psychopathic personality traits, and are thus not amenable to the techniques you recommend. In other words, positive psychologists would not see fit to tell a rape victim or a victim of child abuse or domestic violence that all they need to do is communicate more effectively and have better self-esteem. By the same token, those bullies who exist on the psychopathic continuum (as all personality disorders are on a continuum of severity, of course), are not amenable to the techniques of positive psychology. </p>
<p>My best to you in the work you are doing&#8211;</p>
<p>Lisa E. Gordon</p>
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		<dc:creator>WJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine - reference is The Leadership Quarterly, Vol 18, 2007, 264-280</description>
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		<title>By: Catherine Mattice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Mattice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WJ - 

I love it! Any idea where you saw that research? I&#039;d love to read it. Thanks!</description>
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<p>I love it! Any idea where you saw that research? I&#8217;d love to read it. Thanks!</p>
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