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		<title>By: LucyR</title>
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		<dc:creator>LucyR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi all - what a great comments section! vigorous debate and gorgeous linguistic hoops...stevem, i agree that it would be a danger for PP to tell people how to be happy. however, my experience in the UK within the coaching field to date is the tendency for PP coaches to offer tools/techniques/solutions that are consistent with an individuals needs and most definitely not prescriptive. i think it is an interesting idea to link strengths with other psychological constructs such as MBTI. i&#039;d like to see the results of this. i hesitate though as i have found that clients enjoy the notion they can draw on different strengths at varied times without any prescribed list. 

would be interested tohear thoughts.
lucy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi all &#8211; what a great comments section! vigorous debate and gorgeous linguistic hoops&#8230;stevem, i agree that it would be a danger for PP to tell people how to be happy. however, my experience in the UK within the coaching field to date is the tendency for PP coaches to offer tools/techniques/solutions that are consistent with an individuals needs and most definitely not prescriptive. i think it is an interesting idea to link strengths with other psychological constructs such as MBTI. i&#8217;d like to see the results of this. i hesitate though as i have found that clients enjoy the notion they can draw on different strengths at varied times without any prescribed list. </p>
<p>would be interested tohear thoughts.<br />
lucy</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I promised myself that I would stop contributing to this forum in order to minimize the level of distress experienced by the more fragile members of this forum.  But ideas are my opium – sorry…

You good people are getting wrapped around the axle by mistakenly assuming that there are fixed importance coefficients for each of the happiness value factors.  When in fact, a composite happiness function is unique to each individual.

This is another illustration of why it is so important for PP to be integrated into existing psychological paradigms.  Look at the happiness vector from a Jungian context, and use the Myers-Briggs temperament profiles as a classification ontology.

So you have sixteen temperaments and no doubt 16 different happiness vectors.  A hearth &amp; home centric ISTJ is probably not going to have the same &quot;Love of learning&quot; coefficient that a gonzo ENTP may have (me for example).  And of course from an M-B context, differential intensities across the happiness vector conditioned by temperament are neither good nor bad.  Since they are only reflections of those same underlying temperaments.

The danger to PP is the tendency to prescriptively tell people how they are supposed to be happy, rather than in merely providing a supporting architecture of life management insights consistent with individual temperaments.

There are some interesting ways for eliciting differential subjective value.  I&#039;ll put together a web-based model for you too try.  It was developed by an eccentric genius when he was at Penn BTW.  We could then compare individual and group happiness weights.  Could be fun.

SteveM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I promised myself that I would stop contributing to this forum in order to minimize the level of distress experienced by the more fragile members of this forum.  But ideas are my opium – sorry…</p>
<p>You good people are getting wrapped around the axle by mistakenly assuming that there are fixed importance coefficients for each of the happiness value factors.  When in fact, a composite happiness function is unique to each individual.</p>
<p>This is another illustration of why it is so important for PP to be integrated into existing psychological paradigms.  Look at the happiness vector from a Jungian context, and use the Myers-Briggs temperament profiles as a classification ontology.</p>
<p>So you have sixteen temperaments and no doubt 16 different happiness vectors.  A hearth &amp; home centric ISTJ is probably not going to have the same &#8220;Love of learning&#8221; coefficient that a gonzo ENTP may have (me for example).  And of course from an M-B context, differential intensities across the happiness vector conditioned by temperament are neither good nor bad.  Since they are only reflections of those same underlying temperaments.</p>
<p>The danger to PP is the tendency to prescriptively tell people how they are supposed to be happy, rather than in merely providing a supporting architecture of life management insights consistent with individual temperaments.</p>
<p>There are some interesting ways for eliciting differential subjective value.  I&#8217;ll put together a web-based model for you too try.  It was developed by an eccentric genius when he was at Penn BTW.  We could then compare individual and group happiness weights.  Could be fun.</p>
<p>SteveM</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jonathan
Thanks for being so patient. You raise a good question here. I don’t know if there is an answer to your question in the research. I’m not an expert on choice but I would suggest that it might be about definitions. I have 3 possible answers here: freedom / free choice which arises from democracy (which is what Inglehart  et al refer to) is different to the choice I face when I’m buying baked beans in the supermarket (to use Jo’s example). Broadly speaking a country is either democratic or it’s not – and we’re talking about a few big freedoms, like freedom to vote, free speech, freedom of the press etc, which does increase our autonomy and the amount of choice available to us, but, I would suggest, this is not in the ‘overwhelming’ category. [Is it possible to have too much democracy? In the UK we usually have a handful of parties to vote for at an election; I guess if we had tens or hundreds that might get into the ‘overwhelming’ category].  If I don’t have this kind of freedom / free choice, my autonomy is affected: I am constrained in some way, and I may be prevented from expressing the real me. Whereas consumer choice (which I think is what Barry Schwartz focuses on) is different – if I only have 2 choices of baked beans (or none at all) I’m not sure that it affects my autonomy or constrains me in any way. Did we feel constrained before the Sony Walkman was invented, for example? I’m sure we may have felt more ‘liberated’ afterwards but that’s not the same thing.

Another answer may be to do with the outcome measure. In Inglehart et al’s paper they use happiness and life satisfaction to mean different things, hence the suggestion that happiness of ex-communist countries rose but life satisfaction fell during transition. Perhaps freedom/free choice is associated with happiness, and (consumer) choice with life satisfaction.

Thirdly it may be about timing - a sort of Tipping Point idea – perhaps you need to have freedom/free choice before you can have (vast) consumer choice. The former isn’t overwhelming (because it’s generally about a few major choices not thousands of smaller ones), but as more and more consumer choices are opened up, you’re more likely to feel overwhelmed.

Anyway, those are my own thoughts; not sure if that helps. Hopefully someone reading will know the ‘official’ answer.

Bridget</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jonathan<br />
Thanks for being so patient. You raise a good question here. I don’t know if there is an answer to your question in the research. I’m not an expert on choice but I would suggest that it might be about definitions. I have 3 possible answers here: freedom / free choice which arises from democracy (which is what Inglehart  et al refer to) is different to the choice I face when I’m buying baked beans in the supermarket (to use Jo’s example). Broadly speaking a country is either democratic or it’s not – and we’re talking about a few big freedoms, like freedom to vote, free speech, freedom of the press etc, which does increase our autonomy and the amount of choice available to us, but, I would suggest, this is not in the ‘overwhelming’ category. [Is it possible to have too much democracy? In the UK we usually have a handful of parties to vote for at an election; I guess if we had tens or hundreds that might get into the ‘overwhelming’ category].  If I don’t have this kind of freedom / free choice, my autonomy is affected: I am constrained in some way, and I may be prevented from expressing the real me. Whereas consumer choice (which I think is what Barry Schwartz focuses on) is different – if I only have 2 choices of baked beans (or none at all) I’m not sure that it affects my autonomy or constrains me in any way. Did we feel constrained before the Sony Walkman was invented, for example? I’m sure we may have felt more ‘liberated’ afterwards but that’s not the same thing.</p>
<p>Another answer may be to do with the outcome measure. In Inglehart et al’s paper they use happiness and life satisfaction to mean different things, hence the suggestion that happiness of ex-communist countries rose but life satisfaction fell during transition. Perhaps freedom/free choice is associated with happiness, and (consumer) choice with life satisfaction.</p>
<p>Thirdly it may be about timing &#8211; a sort of Tipping Point idea – perhaps you need to have freedom/free choice before you can have (vast) consumer choice. The former isn’t overwhelming (because it’s generally about a few major choices not thousands of smaller ones), but as more and more consumer choices are opened up, you’re more likely to feel overwhelmed.</p>
<p>Anyway, those are my own thoughts; not sure if that helps. Hopefully someone reading will know the ‘official’ answer.</p>
<p>Bridget</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wayne
If you are looking for new validated/researched interventions (i.e not savouring, mindfulness, random acts of kindness, using strengths and so on) then as far as I know there haven&#039;t been any published (which was the concern of some of the UK Mapp people); the majority of the recent interventions research has concentrated on developing and fine-tuning our understanding of the existing ones. On the basis that people disagree over what happiness/ well-being/ life satisfaction are and how they should be measured there&#039;s still a lot of basics to be sorted out.

Senia - please correct me if I&#039;m wrong - I think the majority of PPND authors are practitioners rather than researchers, so we can talk about how positive psychology applies in real life (which is what I meant) but we&#039;re probably not in position to discover/reveal new validated interventions on this forum. If it&#039;s new research you are interested in, many of my articles refer to 2006-2008 papers. 

I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s answered your question though...

Bridget</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wayne<br />
If you are looking for new validated/researched interventions (i.e not savouring, mindfulness, random acts of kindness, using strengths and so on) then as far as I know there haven&#8217;t been any published (which was the concern of some of the UK Mapp people); the majority of the recent interventions research has concentrated on developing and fine-tuning our understanding of the existing ones. On the basis that people disagree over what happiness/ well-being/ life satisfaction are and how they should be measured there&#8217;s still a lot of basics to be sorted out.</p>
<p>Senia &#8211; please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong &#8211; I think the majority of PPND authors are practitioners rather than researchers, so we can talk about how positive psychology applies in real life (which is what I meant) but we&#8217;re probably not in position to discover/reveal new validated interventions on this forum. If it&#8217;s new research you are interested in, many of my articles refer to 2006-2008 papers. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s answered your question though&#8230;</p>
<p>Bridget</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bridget,

My question was simple really: one of the basic ideas in PP is that too many choices makes us feel bad (because we never feel our choice was adequate). I was asking how increasing &quot;freedom&quot; (which also increases our choices) does not also cause us to be overwhelmed with choices.

I am not a psychologist, PP student, MAPP grad, psychiatrist, neuro-scientist, therapist, or in any way formally educated in psychology.  

I just need clarification, please. And others, please keep your glib comments about this to yourself. I am interpreting these as &quot;making fun of&quot;, not as &quot;discussions related to&quot; (as no one is answering my question, just pointing out how this is linked to ideas they do not like - exception: Jo. Thanks!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bridget,</p>
<p>My question was simple really: one of the basic ideas in PP is that too many choices makes us feel bad (because we never feel our choice was adequate). I was asking how increasing &#8220;freedom&#8221; (which also increases our choices) does not also cause us to be overwhelmed with choices.</p>
<p>I am not a psychologist, PP student, MAPP grad, psychiatrist, neuro-scientist, therapist, or in any way formally educated in psychology.  </p>
<p>I just need clarification, please. And others, please keep your glib comments about this to yourself. I am interpreting these as &#8220;making fun of&#8221;, not as &#8220;discussions related to&#8221; (as no one is answering my question, just pointing out how this is linked to ideas they do not like &#8211; exception: Jo. Thanks!)</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Jencke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Jencke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bridget - I&#039;d love to know what the good new ideas are? Could  you list them - I&#039;d like to check out the research.

My experience with strengths is very simple - its like the Nike ad - &quot;Just do it&quot;. I think happy people are engaged. Thats why I have it (engagement) as the centre piece of my ACCEPTional Resilience coaching model</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bridget &#8211; I&#8217;d love to know what the good new ideas are? Could  you list them &#8211; I&#8217;d like to check out the research.</p>
<p>My experience with strengths is very simple &#8211; its like the Nike ad &#8211; &#8220;Just do it&#8221;. I think happy people are engaged. Thats why I have it (engagement) as the centre piece of my ACCEPTional Resilience coaching model</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wayne
Re emphasis on strengths: on the one hand, you could probably make the &#039;tedious &amp; superficial&#039; criticism of all validated PP interventions (being that there are so few of them and they have been around for years). On the other, I&#039;ve worked in business for long enough to know that the vast majority of organisations focus primarily on weaknesses &amp; how to mitigate them, so talking about using strengths in that context is for many quite refreshing. The VIA strengths are good as a starting point for that kind of discussion, especially if one isn&#039;t practised enough to isolate the client&#039;s strengths using a conversational approach a la Linley, such as you suggest. I think one should be flexible in how they&#039;re used though and resist using them as labels.

Finally re new ideas - this is something that has frequently been mentioned on the UK MAPP programme. I think there have been some good new ideas on PPND, and yes there could be more. But we&#039;re talking about i) academia and ii) big business here...;-&gt;

Bridget</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wayne<br />
Re emphasis on strengths: on the one hand, you could probably make the &#8216;tedious &amp; superficial&#8217; criticism of all validated PP interventions (being that there are so few of them and they have been around for years). On the other, I&#8217;ve worked in business for long enough to know that the vast majority of organisations focus primarily on weaknesses &amp; how to mitigate them, so talking about using strengths in that context is for many quite refreshing. The VIA strengths are good as a starting point for that kind of discussion, especially if one isn&#8217;t practised enough to isolate the client&#8217;s strengths using a conversational approach a la Linley, such as you suggest. I think one should be flexible in how they&#8217;re used though and resist using them as labels.</p>
<p>Finally re new ideas &#8211; this is something that has frequently been mentioned on the UK MAPP programme. I think there have been some good new ideas on PPND, and yes there could be more. But we&#8217;re talking about i) academia and ii) big business here&#8230;;-&gt;</p>
<p>Bridget</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Jencke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Jencke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re partial correlations - the top item of the bottom 5 is &quot;love of learning&quot; which has a partial correlation of .15 with life satisfaction. This compares with &quot;love&quot; (no 5 overall) which has a partial correlation of .35.

See my website for more information: http://www.innate-intelligence.com.au/blog/?p=153

I suspect that working on your strengths activates higher level strengths such as curiosity and zest. Try this simple experiment with a client - rather than working on a strength juts ask them to do something different everyday and look at the impact it has on life satisfaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re partial correlations &#8211; the top item of the bottom 5 is &#8220;love of learning&#8221; which has a partial correlation of .15 with life satisfaction. This compares with &#8220;love&#8221; (no 5 overall) which has a partial correlation of .35.</p>
<p>See my website for more information: <a href="http://www.innate-intelligence.com.au/blog/?p=153" rel="nofollow">http://www.innate-intelligence.com.au/blog/?p=153</a></p>
<p>I suspect that working on your strengths activates higher level strengths such as curiosity and zest. Try this simple experiment with a client &#8211; rather than working on a strength juts ask them to do something different everyday and look at the impact it has on life satisfaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne,

Could you add a pointer to the research that shows that &quot;love of learning&quot; and &quot;appreciation of beauty and excellence&quot; have little impact on life satisfaction.  I&#039;ve heard that thirdhand a few times, and have wondered whether it is that they have little impact or that they have relatively less impact than other strengths.  

Love of learning certainly brings me personally lots of life satisfaction, at least partly because it&#039;s a strength I share with my husband so we&#039;re in it together.  

Thanks!
Kathryn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne,</p>
<p>Could you add a pointer to the research that shows that &#8220;love of learning&#8221; and &#8220;appreciation of beauty and excellence&#8221; have little impact on life satisfaction.  I&#8217;ve heard that thirdhand a few times, and have wondered whether it is that they have little impact or that they have relatively less impact than other strengths.  </p>
<p>Love of learning certainly brings me personally lots of life satisfaction, at least partly because it&#8217;s a strength I share with my husband so we&#8217;re in it together.  </p>
<p>Thanks!<br />
Kathryn</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Jencke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Jencke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bridget, bring on the new ideas - most of the PP interventions have been around for years. The emphasis on strengths is a little tedious and superficial. For example I&#039;d love to know why &quot;love of learning&quot; and &quot;appreciation of beauty&quot; have little impact on life satisfaction. 

To a certain extent positive psychology does have a religious zeal to it. If you question the rhetoric you might be branded  an &quot;unbeliever&quot;. Similarly positive psychology conferences are like a revival meeting. 

I also support you concerns on the Templeton foundation funding positive psychology research as invariably the research will be biased (not consciously) to coincide with the benefactors beliefs. I suspect this is one reason mindfulness is overlooked has it doesn&#039;t have a good fit with Christianity.

By the way you have to appreciate the irony - positive mood induction supposedly improves your ability in abstract thinking - given this you would expect PPDN to be brimming with new ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bridget, bring on the new ideas &#8211; most of the PP interventions have been around for years. The emphasis on strengths is a little tedious and superficial. For example I&#8217;d love to know why &#8220;love of learning&#8221; and &#8220;appreciation of beauty&#8221; have little impact on life satisfaction. </p>
<p>To a certain extent positive psychology does have a religious zeal to it. If you question the rhetoric you might be branded  an &#8220;unbeliever&#8221;. Similarly positive psychology conferences are like a revival meeting. </p>
<p>I also support you concerns on the Templeton foundation funding positive psychology research as invariably the research will be biased (not consciously) to coincide with the benefactors beliefs. I suspect this is one reason mindfulness is overlooked has it doesn&#8217;t have a good fit with Christianity.</p>
<p>By the way you have to appreciate the irony &#8211; positive mood induction supposedly improves your ability in abstract thinking &#8211; given this you would expect PPDN to be brimming with new ideas.</p>
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